The Detangled Podcast is a unique platform designed to bridge the gap between professionals and consumers, offering deep insights into the ongoing conversations surrounding curls and coils. This podcast delves into the rich history and evolution of Afro hairdressing, shedding light on the cultural, technical, and scientific aspects that shape the industry today.
Through candid and unfiltered discussions, our guest are seasoned hair professionals who share their personal experiences and perspectives. By keeping these accounts raw and unedited, we ensure authenticity, allowing listeners to connect with the realities of the industry in its truest form.
As a brand with a long-standing commitment to textured hair care, we discuss how Avlon has played a pivotal role in the sector. This podcast reflects that legacy, providing a space to explore the past, present, and future of hairdressing. To conclude the first season, we will feature a special recording from Dr. Syed, adding his expertise and reflections to complete this in-depth exploration
Trailer - Season 01
Welcome to The Detangled Podcast by Avlon—your go-to podcast for all things curly, coily, and textured hair. Hosted by Jacqui McIntosh and Louis Driver, we’re here to provide conversations that educate, empower, and inspire. Whether you're just starting your curly hair journey or you’re a seasoned pro, The Detangled Podcast will help you navigate everything from hair care to the latest trends in the textured hair space.
In this trailer, we’re giving you a sneak peek into the exciting, informative, and entertaining episodes we have in store. Join us as we dive into the science, care, and celebration of textured hair, while sharing tips, expert insights, and product recommendations.
Stay tuned for our upcoming episodes!
Hosts
- ➤ Jacqui McIntosh
- ➤ Louis Driver
Theme
Textured hair care, hair education, empowerment, and inspiration
What to Expect
- ➤ Expert conversations on curly & coily hair care
- ➤ Scalp health and product advice
- ➤ The science of textured hair
- ➤ Trends in curly hair styling
- ➤ Scalp care tips
- ➤ Much more!
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Ep.01 : Meet the Hosts
In this honest first episode, Louis and Jacqui reflect on what led them to create The Detangled Podcast, their journeys in the industry, and the importance of passing knowledge on. Drawing on years of professional experience, cultural insight, and personal passion, they explore the need for honest, accessible conversations around textured haircare and education.
Louis and Jacqui discuss the evolving nature of the hair industry, the challenges around misinformation, and the importance of creating a platform for sharing lived experience and professional knowledge. They reflect on their own journeys, the impact of working with Avlon, and their favourite hero products from the brand’s portfolio.
This episode sets the tone for the series — open, educational, and rooted in authenticity — while inviting listeners into a space built for hair professionals and curious consumers alike.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ The origins and purpose of The Detangled Podcast
- ➤ Career journeys of the hosts and their paths into education
- ➤ Misconceptions around curly and textured hair
- ➤ The importance of inclusivity and accessible knowledge
- ➤ Favourite Avlon products and how they support healthy hair
- ➤ What drives their continued passion for the industry
- ➤ Building a space for reflection, growth, and professional pride
Stay Connected
Follow the hosts:
- ➤ Louis Driver: @louisdoeshair
- ➤ Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintosh
Follow Avlon:
- ➤ Avlon Europe: @avloneurope
- ➤ Avlon: @avlon
Production Credits
- ➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
- ➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
- ➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi (@bibanabi)
- ➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.02 Meet the Team
In this foundational episode, we introduce you to the rest of the talented education team behind Avlon Education — Lathaniel Chambers, Hannah Marcia, and Pashcan’el Mitchell. Join us for a roundtable conversation spotlighting each guest’s expertise, career journey, passions, and what makes them shine in the professional hair industry.
Discover each educator’s "zone of genius," the hero products they swear by, their go-to hair hacks, and the icons who inspire their work. Plus, hear their thoughts on the power of sharing knowledge through podcasting — and what exciting projects are on the horizon.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Meet the Avlon Education team and explore their career highlights
- ➤ Areas of expertise and what they’re best known for
- ➤ Hero products from Avlon’s professional portfolio
- ➤ Pro tips, hair hacks, and insider techniques
- ➤ Creative influences and upcoming projects
- ➤ The importance of education in the beauty and hair industry
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed today’s episode, don’t forget to follow, subscribe, and leave a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
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Follow Our Incredible Guests
- ➤ Lathaniel: @lathanielscouture
- ➤ Hannah: @hannahmarciaa
- ➤ Pash: @pashcanel
Hosts
- ➤ Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintosh
- ➤ Louis Driver: @louisdoeshair
Production Credits
Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabi
Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.03 Behind the Brand
In this deep-dive episode, hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh sit down with Lathaniel Chambers, one of Avlon’s longest-standing educators, to explore the story behind the brand. Together, they reflect on Avlon’s legacy in textured haircare — from its game-changing product innovations to its science-led, family-run foundations.
The conversation spans decades of hair history, from the launch of the Affirm Relaxer system to the rise of the natural hair movement and the formulation of bestsellers like As I Am and Uberliss. Jacqui and Lathaniel share personal anecdotes, professional milestones, and why working with Avlon continues to inspire their practice today. With a strong focus on integrity, innovation, and education, this episode celebrates the values that have made Avlon a global name in textured haircare.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ The history and ethos behind Avlon
- ➤ Game-changing product launches: Affirm, Fiber Guard, As I Am, Uberliss
- ➤ The influence of Dr. Ali N. Syed and the power of science in haircare
- ➤ Personal journeys of long-term Avlon educators
- ➤ Education, integrity, and innovation in product development
- ➤ Sustainability, ingredient transparency, and product testing
- ➤ The importance of professional guidance and product retail in salons
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
Follow Avlon
- ➤ Avlon Europe: @avloneurope
- ➤ Avlon: @avlon
Connect with Our Guest
- ➤ Lathaniel Chambers: @lathanielscouture
Hosts
- ➤ Louis Driver: @louisdoeshair
- ➤ Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintosh
Production Credits
Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabi
Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.04 Curly & Coily Hair 101 - The Ultimate Guide
In this informative solo episode of The Detangled Podcast, co-host Jacqui McIntosh is joined by Avlon educator Hannah Marcia for a deep dive into the foundations of curly and coily haircare. Whether you're just beginning your natural hair journey or refining your routine, this episode is packed with practical advice, product recommendations, and professional insight into caring for textured hair.
Together, Jacqui and Hannah explore the science behind curls and coils, the importance of recognising hair's individual needs, and how to select the right products based on porosity, density, and lifestyle. They also unpack the role of curl typing, how to apply product effectively, and how social media has shaped (and sometimes confused) the conversation around natural hair.
Expect real talk, expert guidance, and empowering advice to help listeners feel more confident about their hair and routines.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Understanding the structure of curly and coily hair
- ➤ Why porosity, not just curl type, matters
- ➤ The pros and pitfalls of curl typing
- ➤ How to build an effective haircare routine
- ➤ Clarifying the role of leave-ins, mousses, gels, and more
- ➤ Insights into co-washing and scalp health
- ➤ Social media’s influence on curl care
- ➤ Embracing volume vs. definition
- ➤ Transparent, honest hair consultations
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
Follow Avlon:
- ➤ Avlon Europe: @avloneurope
- ➤ Avlon: @avlon
Hosts:
- ➤ Jacqui McIntosh: @jacqui.mcintosh
- ➤ Louis Driver: @louisdoeshair
Guest:
- ➤ Hannah Marcia: @hannahmarciaa
Production Credits
- ➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
- ➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
- ➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi (@bibanabi)
- ➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
- ➤ Website: www.avloneurope.co.uk
Ep.05 Natural Hair,Braiding and Protective Styling
In this episode of The Detangled Podcast by Avlon, hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh are joined by Aycan Kemal, owner of New York Hair Design, and returning guest Lathaniel Chambers for a rich and inspiring conversation on protective styling, braiding techniques, and natural haircare culture.
Aycan shares her phenomenal 25-year journey in the textured hair industry, including her Guinness World Record for the fastest braiding, and her passion for competition styling. Together with Lathaniel, they unpack what makes a style truly protective, how to maintain scalp health, and why natural hair trends are evolving for the better. From award-winning artistry to salon best practices, this episode is packed with insights for professionals and enthusiasts alike.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Defining Protective Styling: Tension, technique, and how to avoid long-term damage.
- ➤ Braiding Techniques & Style Trends: Including boho braids, knotless styles, and Fulani-inspired patterns.
- ➤ Aycan’s Career & Accolades: From opening her salon in 2000 to entering the Hall of Fame and setting a Guinness World Record.
- ➤ Product Knowledge & Texture Focus: Tailoring treatments to Type 3 & Type 4 curls, plus insider product tips.
- ➤ Scalp Health & Maintenance: How to manage braids between salon visits without compromising style longevity.
- ➤ Salon Culture & the Natural Hair Movement: Embracing authenticity, inclusivity, and the evolving expectations of textured hair clients.
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
Avlon Europe:
Avlon:
Hosts
Jacqui McIntosh – Louis Driver –
Guests
Aycan Kemal – Lathaniel Chambers
Production Credits
➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi
➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.06 The Great Texture Education Debate
In this illuminating episode of The Detangled Podcast, hosts Jacqui McIntosh and Louis Driver are joined by industry educator and author Sandra Gittens. With a legacy spanning over three decades, Sandra shares invaluable insights into the evolution of textured hair education, highlighting the historical gaps in Afro hair training and the progress made in raising industry standards.
From her experience writing the UK's first dedicated Afro hair curriculum to pushing for inclusive qualifications, Sandra offers a powerful perspective on where the industry has been—and where it needs to go.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ The absence of Afro and textured hair in historical training manuals and qualification standards.
- ➤ Sandra’s journey in developing the first NVQ units for Afro hair in the UK.
- ➤ How miseducation impacts client experiences and stylist confidence.
- ➤ Why inclusive education must be central to all hair training programmes.
- ➤ The cultural significance of Afro hair and why representation matters.
- ➤ What still needs to change in product development, education, and professional attitudes.
Hero Products & Pro Tips
- ➤ For all: Focus on texture and porosity over simply curl patterns.
- ➤ For educators: “Embed textured hair into every unit—don’t bolt it on.”
- ➤ For stylists: Ongoing education is key. “Never stop learning, because textured hair is always evolving.”
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
➤ Avlon Europe:
➤ Avlon:
Hosts
Jacqui McIntosh – Louis Driver –
Guest
Sandra Gittens
Production Credits
➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi
➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.07 Texture SOS
In this essential episode of The Detangled Podcast, co-hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh are joined by hair stylists and educators Lathaniel Chambers and Pashcan’el Mitchell to explore the world of smoothing systems. Whether you're a professional looking to refine your practice or a client curious about options, this episode breaks down the key methods used to smooth textured hair and the responsibilities that come with them.
Together, the panel unpacks the differences between relaxers, texturizers, and silk presses, offering expert insights on consultation, client suitability, and the myths and realities surrounding these techniques. The conversation also delves into aftercare, education gaps, and the evolving attitudes toward chemically and thermally altered hair textures in salons and online spaces.
Expect informed discussion, practical tips, and thoughtful reflection on how smoothing services can be delivered safely, ethically, and with respect for the hair’s natural integrity.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ The differences between relaxers, texturizers, and silk presses.
- ➤ The history and cultural perceptions of smoothing systems.
- ➤ The importance of honest consultation and professional assessment.
- ➤ Recognising when smoothing services are or aren’t appropriate.
- ➤ Online misinformation and its impact on client expectations.
- ➤ Product selection and hair preparation for smoothing services.
- ➤ Training gaps and continuing education for stylists.
- ➤ Managing transitions from chemical to natural textures.
Hero Products & Pro Tips
- ➤ Use of neutralising shampoos to protect the hair post-relaxer.
- ➤ How heat protectants enhance longevity and safety during silk presses.
- ➤ The role of conditioning treatments before and after chemical services.
- ➤ Tips for avoiding over-processing and maintaining healthy hair.
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
➤ Avlon Europe:
➤ Avlon:
Hosts
Jacqui McIntosh – Louis Driver –
Guests
➤ Lathaniel Chambers: @lathanielscouture
➤ Pashcan’el Mitchell: @pashcanel
Production Credits
➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi
➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.08 Texture on Set
In this insightful episode of The Detangled Podcast, co-hosts Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh are joined by award-winning session stylist and educator Junior Green, along with returning guest Avlon Creative Pashcan’el Mitchell to explore the realities of working with textured hair on set.
Together, they unpack the creative, technical and logistical challenges of delivering hair excellence in fast-paced editorial, TV and film environments. From Bridgerton to BAFTA red carpets, the episode spotlights the skills and adaptability required to represent texture authentically and professionally. Whether you're a new stylist, an aspiring session artist or an educator, this episode offers grounded wisdom, career advice, and inspiration for navigating textured hair work beyond the salon.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ What “texture on set” really means in professional settings.
- ➤ The ongoing challenges of styling afro hair in editorial, fashion, TV and film.
- ➤ Experiences working on major productions like Bridgerton.
- ➤ Why core hairdressing skills (setting, pinning, classic dressing) still matter.
- ➤ The time disparity when styling afro-textured hair vs. European textures.
- ➤ Equipment must-haves and how to prepare for unpredictable working conditions.
- ➤ The role of mentorship and lifelong learning in a stylist’s journey.
- ➤ Building collections: structured planning vs. spontaneous creativity.
- ➤ Industry icons, sources of inspiration and the legacy of textured hair in visual media.
Stay Connected
➤ Avlon Europe:
➤ Avlon:
Hosts
Louis Driver – Jacqui McIntosh
Guests
➤ Junior Green: @juniorgreen
➤ Pashcan’el Mitchell: @pashcanel
Production Credits
➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi @bibanabi
➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
Ep.09 Curls,Coils and Color
In this episode of The Detangled Podcast, co-hosts Jacqui McIntosh and Louis Driver are joined by Hannah Marcia to break down the essentials of colouring curly and coily hair. They explore the science behind textured hair, common colour myths, practical tips for stylists, and how to achieve stunning colour results without compromising curl integrity.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Textured Hair Structure: Curls have more open cuticles, making them lift quicker—but also more prone to damage. A “lower and slower” approach helps protect the hair.
- ➤ Placement & Technique: Traditional foil methods often fall short. Use visual, freehand techniques to work with the 3D nature of curls.
- ➤ Warm Tones: Gold and warm tones enhance shine on curls, which reflect less light than straighter textures. Clients should be educated about realistic outcomes.
- ➤ Product Choice Matters: High-lift tints, direct dyes, and bond builders offer gentle alternatives to bleach. Go in with intention—know your “why” behind every product.
- ➤ Myth-Busting: Colour doesn’t automatically loosen curl patterns. Overlapping or incorrect processing causes damage—not colour itself.
- ➤ Aftercare Is Essential: Moisture, protein, heat protection, and salon check-ins extend colour life and maintain curl health.
- ➤ Client Communication: Transparency is key. Stylists can’t protect hair they don’t know the history of. Educate clients on maintenance and realistic colour goals.
- ➤ Creating Dimension: Leaving sections out of colour is as important as what’s coloured—depth enhances curl definition and longevity.
- ➤ Formulation Strategy: Consider porosity and how textured hair reflects tone. Add warmth and pigment to prevent flat, dull results.
Hero Products & Pro Tips
Louis’s Picks:
- ➤ Uberliss Bond Healing Spray + Frizz Elixir: The ultimate combo for post-colour care—moisture, protection, and shine without weight.
Hannah’s Pick:
- ➤ Uberliss Colour Sustainers: Great for maintaining tone at home, adding pigment and moisture between salon visits.
Pro Tips:
- ➤ Louis: Always weigh formulas for accuracy—consistency matters, especially on fragile textures.
- ➤ Hannah: Be intentional—match your lightener or tint to the goal and always prioritise hair health.
Stay Connected
➤ Avlon Europe: @avlonuk
➤ Avlon: @avlon
Hosts
➤ Jacqui McIntosh | Louis Driver (@louisdoeshair)
Guest
➤ Hannah Marcia: @hannahmarciaa
Production Credits
➤ Produced by: Jacqui McIntosh & Louis Driver
➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
➤ Artwork: Habiba Nabisubi (@bibanabi)
➤ Design: Louis Driver
➤ Website: www.avloneurope.co.uk
Ep.10 Myths,Legend and Language
In this informative episode of The Detangled Podcast by Avlon, Louis Driver and Jacqui McIntosh explore the often-overlooked foundation of healthy hair: the scalp. With Jacqui’s expertise as a trichologist, they take a deep dive into common ingredients, myths, and misconceptions surrounding curly and coily hair care. From decoding industry buzzwords like sulfates, silicones, alcohols, and proteins, to clarifying the importance of pH balance, scalp hygiene, and damage prevention, this episode offers a much-needed demystification of textured hair maintenance. Whether you're a seasoned stylist or someone navigating your own hair journey, Episode 10 is a masterclass in informed, science-led care.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Scalp Health: Why scalp care is essential to hair growth and integrity, including common conditions like seborrheic dermatitis, folliculitis, and fungal infections.
- ➤ Ingredient Deep Dive: Myths & truths about sulfates, silicones, alcohols, and proteins, plus best practices for textured hair.
- ➤ pH Balance & Product Science: Why shampoos for textured hair should be 4.5–5.5 on the pH scale; neutralising vs. normalising products.
- ➤ Damage vs. Compromise: Redefining “damage” as “compromise” to shift stigma and focus on practical solutions.
- ➤ Protective Practices: Importance of leave-ins, heat protection, and layering moisture consistently.
Stay Connected
Hosts: Louis Driver (@louisdoeshair) & Jacqui McIntosh (@jacqui.mcintosh)
Follow Avlon: Avlon Europe (@avloneurope) | Avlon (@avlon)
Production Credits
- ➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
- ➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
- ➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: @bibanabi
- ➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
- ➤ Website: www.avloneurope.co.uk
Ep.11 Meet the Maker - Dr Syed
In this special bonus episode of The Detangled Podcast, hosts Jacqui McIntosh and Louis Driver sit down with Dr. Ali N. Syed, founder and CEO of Avlon Industries, to explore the science, innovation, and legacy behind some of the most iconic textured hair products in the world.
With over 45 patents, Dr. Syed is a true pioneer in textured haircare, having developed brands such as Affirm, KeraCare, As I Am, and Uberliss. He shares his personal journey, from his early passion for hair in the 1970s to the development of cutting-edge technologies focused on curl protection, scalp health, and hair growth.
The conversation highlights the global diversity of curly and coily textures, the future of hair science, and the launch of his book Curly Hair, a comprehensive guide rooted in decades of research and salon experience.
Key Topics Covered
- ➤ Dr. Syed’s journey into hair science and why he specialised in curly and coily hair
- ➤ The power of patents and how innovation shapes the future of textured haircare
- ➤ Scientific insights into curl formation, keratin-associated proteins, and hair damage prevention
- ➤ Why scalp health is foundational, including microbiome balance and product development
- ➤ The evolution of iconic brands: Affirm, As I Am, Uberliss
- ➤ The inspiration behind his book Curly Hair and what it offers to stylists and consumers
- ➤ The ongoing pursuit of natural ingredients and advanced product formulations
Stay Connected
If you enjoyed this episode, follow, subscribe, and leave us a review. Join the conversation with us on social media:
➤ Avlon Europe: @avloneurope
➤ Avlon: @avlon
➤ Hosts: Jacqui McIntosh & Louis Driver
➤ Guest: Dr. Ali N. Syed, Founder & CEO
Production Credits
- ➤ Producers: Louis Driver & Jacqui McIntosh
- ➤ Recorded at: London Podcast Studios
- ➤ Cover Artwork Illustration: Habiba Nabisubi
- ➤ Cover Design: Louis Driver
